Legal and forum rule-related discussion concerning BF2142 mini image

[siiix]

(See the original thread for reference.)

Originally Posted by Joe Forster/STA

If your DVD is scratched, contact the publisher for a replacement. (Please, also read the forum rules, especially rule #1.)

forum rule #1 has nothing to do with this
and EA charges $10-$15 for a replacement disk... witch we do not even need NOR we require to do in any country by law

no one CAN NOT play 2142 online ranked with out a valid CD-KEY,
and the cracked versions do not need a DVD or an image EVER.
and i'm sure as senior member your well aware of this

i ALWAYS watch what i post... if you want to include not even mentioning certain words i think it would be fair to mention that in rule #1, as it is a bit extreme and unusual, BUT if it would be at least mentioned i would have avoided mentioning names

or if you meant that the one version that is really wrz is USELESS - normally negative comments are allowed about such things - but if that was the reason then i apologize - because that was "discussing"-it just in a negative way

again I’m not criticizing deleting the name or the image, but the comment about rule #1 as i always hold my self in the borders of rules so the boards wont get in trouble

it was not fair comment IMO

what we discussed here IS how to have a LEGAL backup of our 2142, so far i know there are LAWS in any country this game is distributed that one can have at least 1 backup... how you create that backup is irrelevant (even if its downloading)... and again as a senior member you well aware that this image can only used in connection with a legal cd-key

the law DO NOT require us to get a replacement DVD from the manufacturer, in fact its quite the opposite we are protected by law against such things

[siiix]

i don’t even understand why such game makers even require a DVD check, steam already stopped doing that years ago (I already wrote EA 2x about how angry I’m about this)

2142 don’t even have a single player option unless you’re online and HAVE a cd-key, (even if you call that single player mode) : )

and no mater where you buy the game (outside ea downloader) EA gets exactly the same amount, the difference is distribution, shipping packaging and the HUGE profit of computer stores + sales tax

plus there are other reasons and NON of them are illegal
-DVD drive bad/incompatible
-disk broken
-inconvenience having to change disk
-playing in a computer where dvd is not installable (company pc/laptop/no room in pc/…)

[6FiRE9]

Sorry if having that link was inappropriate, however this is not a pirating motive. This is for having a playable backup on your pc, for the reasons that were mentioned above. I do not think this is against the rules. Sorry if I'm wrong and if that is the case I won't contribute that type of information anymore.

Matt

[siiix]

OHHH the #1 rule remark was for you !

then my appologies to Joe Forster/STA
my bad : )

[Joe Forster/STA]

Just to clear things up: according to the forum rules, you need to have a working, original, legally purchased copy of the game to be eligible for support on this forum. (Watch the "working" word, too. This has nothing to do with warez...) Yes, this may be a bit too much but we've seen way to many "interesting stories" in the past to be strict about it! It is explicitly written in the forum rules that, if you don't have a working copy, you need to get a replacement (before discussing things).

[Grumpy]

@6FiRE9 & siiix
Just to clarify things a bit more.
I was the one who removed the links and names.
Torrent sites are not to be posted here, either are the names of warez torrents!
As Joe has already said (and he is a lot more than just a 'Senior Member', he is actually a Moderator here) we had to make the rules very scrict as people join up and ask the most rediculous questions.
I think you will both find the EULA may say "You are entitled to create one backup of your game" (or words similiar to that) but it definately does not say "You can download someone else's copy to use as a backup".

@siiix

plus there are other reasons and NON of them are illegal
-DVD drive bad/incompatible
-disk broken
-inconvenience having to change disk
-playing in a computer where dvd is not installable (company pc/laptop/no room in pc/…)

These are the type of lame excuses we always get!
If you have a bad DVD Drive then how do you expect to install it let alone play it?
If your disc is broken then most game publishers will replace the disc ,for a small fee, when you provide proof of purchase, or in some cases send them the broken disc.
Inconvenience in changing discs is not really a valid reason!
And again if you cant install a DVD into a computer then how are you going to play it? The game publishers wont make it easy for you to play without the disc, otherwise its to easy for you to share the game with friends etc.
You have heard of Piracy and Protections? Havent you?

[siiix]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

@6FiRE9 & siiix

I think you will both find the EULA may say "You are entitled to create one backup of your game" (or words similar to that) but it definitely does not say "You can download someone else's copy to use as a backup".

i would definitely go to court and i'm very positive i would EASY win the case, it they try to split hairs that way

because HOW i make a backup is up to me as long as i paid for the game... i could go more in detail how they would not have the slightest chance of winning even if they hire the best layer money can get.. it would be to long

If you have a bad DVD Drive then how do you expect to install it let alone play it?

simply i can tell you thins because i did not used a dvd for bf2 or 2142 (until recently for 2142) although i do purchases 3 copies of bf2 and 2 copies of 2142

I install the game from any folder, installation won’t ask for a DVD << WITH A LEGAL CD-KEY of course
then when I start the game I have to use one of several methods to get around this “bug” with the DVD insertion

If your disc is broken then most game publishers will replace the disc ,for a small fee, when you provide proof of purchase, or in some cases send them the broken disc.

$10-$15 is NOT a small fee, its a rip of, i pay for BF2 and SF and 2142 just slightly more then $15 each, and ANYONE can do that if you buy from the right dealer (for EA is the same no mater I buy if you do not buy directly from them, if you get it at computer store for $56.50 or in a poor country for $18 = EA gets the same exact amount in the end)

further more as i buy ALL my games from a Asian dealer i do not have a DVD SIMPLY because i will not make the post office rich to pay for shipping, nor the government with sales tax(or vat) << and this is my law given right !!!!

i understand you have money to throw around but i don’t, and its my legal right to purchase the game(s) where ever i chose
the CD-key is registered BY EA to my name and address, so if they like to take me on in the backup issue – bring it on !

Inconvenience in changing discs is not really a valid reason!
And again if you cant install a DVD into a computer then how are you going to play it? The game publishers wont make it easy for you to play without the disc, otherwise its to easy for you to share the game with friends etc.
You have heard of Piracy and Protections? Havent you?

i guess you do not own any of bf2 or 2142, i suggest you as one of the moderators you inform your self a bit better

what you suggest is simply put IMPOSSIBLE (for bf2, sf, 2142 - ESPECIALY 2142) again it would take long to explain the technical reasons, but trust me the software it self is COMPLETELY WORTHLESS with out the cd-key, 2142 don’t even have a single player option with out being online

there is no way you can get online unless you like a top hacker and rewrite the software or use additional software > and even then your having an extremely limited gaming experience, and again I’m not a complete zero in programming >> so DVD image it self is nothing

in 2142 it wont even help to have a stolen cd-key, it is completely protected by better protection then most of my several bank accounts (NOT exaggerated in the slightest)

in simple terms the 2142 software is just about useful the WOW software with out the online authorization
the DVD thing is a hit/spit in the face from EA at best, but has nothing to do with copy protection
(as I said I contacted EA directly about this issue with my complain several times, NOT anonym!!)

now on the issue:
my apologies,
BUT please be clearer in the text rule #1, I respect board rules if they clear
mentioning a just name is most of the time not a problem,
the reason this is no problem on most boards is this(I illustrate with the following):
taking/having drugs is illegal, selling them is illegal, giving them away is illegal, BUT talking about them is not! until positive association can be done (like a link)

and URL’s/LINK's I would never post of course

[Joe Forster/STA]

@siiix: The answer is very simple: The board rules are generally NOT for discussion! Yes, we cannot test how each game works - as we don't have all of them and especially don't even have time to play with all of them! - but there aren't many exceptions to the general usage of games anyway.

But, sorry, I don't understand what you're talking about this particular game. (I've had none of the Battlefield series; not interested.) If you can describe to me in a short and clean PM or E-mail (CC to Grumpy, too!) why games similar to this one cannot be covered with the current forum rules then we can include them as a special group. However, for only a single game, exceptions will obviously not be made.

[6FiRE9]

Just as a quick follow up on siix's post. Playing BF 2142 without a purchased key that belongs to you is not possible. Downloading pirated copies of this game to play is completely useless unless you do infact own this game. I appologise for naming a torrent site in my post, I agree this may have been a "no-no" but believe me this would only help people who own the game anyway. With BF2 which I also own, you could download and play on cracked servers or in single player mode. With 2142 these are also not possible, from what I understand. I just figured that a forum should be a free speech environment and I would try to help people that obviously must own the game like myself.

Matt

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by siiix

i would definitely go to court and i'm very positive i would EASY win the case, it they try to split hairs that way

because HOW i make a backup is up to me as long as i paid for the game... i could go more in detail how they would not have the slightest chance of winning even if they hire the best layer money can get.. it would be to long

No you cant.

You can make a backup of the media you bought, not an image of someone elses media.

And you would NOT win the case. As you have essentially a backup of someone elses media you did not have the right to. Actually they would laugh at you to be honest.

They wouldnt need a lawyer either, they could easily represent themselves.

[performance]

I ask a buddy of mine who's studying law and the transfer of archival copies between one licensee to another licensee provided the original licensee made a legal copy is perfectly legal. The physical dvd means little. Its the license that you bought. There's also something in the copyright act which limits copyright owners first sale something blah blah which denies them the sole right to distribution.

oh yeah forgot to mention that regardless of whether the original copyright owner mentions in the license agreement that you cannot make a backup copy, you can make a backup copy. Basically the copyright act voids that point.

[Grumpy]

@siiix

i guess you do not own any of bf2 or 2142, i suggest you as one of the moderators you inform your self a bit better

Actually I do own BF2 and play it often, without the need for the DVD in the drive!
Believe me I am very well informed.

The rest of your post is just laughable! It just shows how ill-informed and niave you really are!

[siiix]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

@siiix

Actually I do own BF2 and play it often, without the need for the DVD in the drive!
Believe me I am very well informed.

The rest of your post is just laughable! It just shows how ill-informed and niave you really are!

trust me i'm not... i battle idiot people and corporations for many many years, although i have no legal-school background i have extensive experience (in and out of courts) and research behind me

as well long time ago i worked for activision/novotrade as game programmer.. so in maters coding i do have some experience behind me as well

plus some of my old friends where/are hackers, and not even bad ones as well, several of them where on TV in several countries because they activities

plus currently I live in germany as you might know they aggressively cracking down on filesharing for the last few months, there is not a day going by where I don’t have to work with several (2) of my friends that got cut by the traps

there is not the slightest thing naïve about me
so I’m able to say I know with certainty (at least in U.S. and germany) that with the above method of backup I’m right and if something would posses EA/contractor and go ahead and file this in court there is no way in hell they have a chance to win, although obviously it would never come to that because they know this as well.. and this is not excitement talking but experience and 100’s of hours of research

anyhow I think we over talked this subject already, I just had to respond to the “naïve” comment

[Joe Forster/STA]

@siiix: You still haven't sent me an explanation, although I asked you to do so. I have to stress again that the forum rules are not for discussion so, please, don't "spoil" this thread with off-topic posts. Thank you!

[siiix]

Originally Posted by Joe Forster/STA

@siiix: You still haven't sent me an explanation, although I asked you to do so. I have to stress again that the forum rules are not for discussion so, please, don't "spoil" this thread with off-topic posts. Thank you!

Sorry you misunderstood me, about #1
i tried to suggest to EXTEND your rule #1 somehow that we cant even mention such things, because most boards at least you can talk about it in the way I did – as a reference point or “example of”
As talking about it is not illegal in any country in that form
in my case i mentioned a NAME but did not even said that has anything to do with piracy – in such way it cant establish legally a link to illegal activity, in fact deleting they 2 deferent NAMES in my post was an assumption (knowledge) I refered to a pirate group and not just the guy living next door or a username on this board.
such things are normally no problem so i assumed its ok, as RIGHT NOW it is not specifically forbidden in rule #1

I’m not discussing rules, I just suggested being clearer in the text, NOT to make it any less strict or so
In other words your #1.2 do not sound that strict to me reading it, so I followed it to my best understanding
But maybe its just me in the way I understand the text in #1.2
Was just some info to you = no discussion