sony's new handheld - PSP - Page 2

MrCaine01 · #16 17-05-2003, 20:17

To be honest Sony didn't start the console market, but neither did Nintendo. Nintendo may have saved it true...but Sony has taken over. As for the handheld, it's really simple. sony has designed a better product than the one Nintendo is pushing. I mean for christ's sake the GBA Advance SP is STILL not backlit but front-lit, making a decent amounts of wash-out in the colors. (I know this for a fact, I work in a video game store and as a side project we take apart the floor models sometimes) Not only that but Sony while owns the copy right to the discs they'll sure as hell make it really easy to make games for and with all the thrid party support for it already. The PSP contains a stronger processor than the PSX (it needs to for the 3D engine inside). Nintendo really needs to come up with a decent competing system (which they should at some point) or else it will lose the handheld market like it did with the console market.

And for the record, I'm not a sony fanboy, I've got all the systems (Cube, Box, PS2 (the damned best one out of the three), GBA (afterburner installed), and a dreamcast (Soul Calibur baby) )

I play the best system the most, go PS2

frequency · #17 17-05-2003, 20:38

i agree with u MrCaine in all ur points. everyone thinks that nintendo's handheld which is the Gameboy Advance SP will not be affected by Sony's more powerful and functionality, the PSP. i think there are somewhat in denial. those are probably the same people that thought that nintendo's 64 wouldnt collapse when the psx came out. im not baised but sense i have all next gen consoles as well as all the old nintendo systems i can honestly say that sony by far has the best system. The PSP will probably be on everyone's wish list for christmas. i believe there's no
comparison between the PSP and nintendo's gamebody advance sp. not to mention the games that will be out for PSP.

JoyBoy · #18 18-05-2003, 04:14

MrCaine01, hmmmm, so what you saying is, if I released a handheld with specs that far surpass anything on the market at this present time, I am guranteed massive sales? Then why did the Atari Lynx, Sega Game Gear & Neo Geo Pocket all fail? Each of them didnt even put a dent into the Game Boy market share. Heck why arent the PS2 sales slowing down or stopping altogether, Even though there are two consoles that far surpass it in terms of Specs? Brand loyalty? or perhaps its the range and choice of games on offer? Hmmmm, what other format offers a similar kind of choice on games?

The two main reasons why the N64 did badly (which it didnt do too badly actually, its just that everyone and their mother was replacing the term console with the word Playstation), was because of the massive royalties Nintendo demanded off its Developers which lead to poor software support and the very, very high prices of the games.

Anyways, Gran Turismo is calling me, so I'm out, ok, fanboys?

Hull_chipper · #19 18-05-2003, 04:39

If Sony wanted they could challenge microsoft in court over the xbox & win. Microsoft is subsidising the xbox, but this type of trading is illegal. Various companies have been forced in the past by fair competition laws to raise prices in order to be profitable.

An example in the UK was the BT chargecard, BT was subsidising its charge card, and was forced to raise its charges because rivals couldn't compete.

But then we are talking Bill Gates.

FiT · #20 18-05-2003, 14:59

Hull_Chipper get some shades those eyes are too scary....

ottoman · #21 18-05-2003, 15:05

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Originally posted by BountyWarrior
MrCaine01, hmmmm, so what you saying is, if I released a handheld with specs that far surpass anything on the market at this present time, I am guranteed massive sales? Then why did the Atari Lynx, Sega Game Gear & Neo Geo Pocket all fail? Each of them didnt even put a dent into the Game Boy market share. Heck why arent the PS2 sales slowing down or stopping altogether, Even though there are two consoles that far surpass it in terms of Specs? Brand loyalty? or perhaps its the range and choice of games on offer? Hmmmm, what other format offers a similar kind of choice on games?

The two main reasons why the N64 did badly (which it didnt do too badly actually, its just that everyone and their mother was replacing the term console with the word Playstation), was because of the massive royalties Nintendo demanded off its Developers which lead to poor software support and the very, very high prices of the games.

Anyways, Gran Turismo is calling me, so I'm out, ok, fanboys?

Hey m8.

Two quick ones here. Some techy on this forum did a quick check-up on which was the superior console in terms of total performance rather than just looking at how fast processors r clocked etc and found that there was very little if any difference in them. Also the reason that Nintendo 64 sales were poor is that U couldn't back-up the software easily ( just like the gamecube) and a console will always suffer in that situation.

JoyBoy · #22 18-05-2003, 15:21

ottoman, hmmmm so every single comparison chart I have ever seen showing the PS2 to be a distinct third has lied to me? I dont care for console specs... so I aint even gonna argue that issue.

And I still cant believe that people assume that because a console cant be modded or play copied software easily it will fail in the stores.. Thats what people who do use warez software believe...

ottoman go back to making your 100+ 'backups'

ottoman · #23 18-05-2003, 15:30

well, just what does decide the best selling console then?

Clearly it doesn't rely on specs of machine, and nintendo have been in the console market far longer than the two competitors so should know the game a lot better.

JoyBoy · #24 18-05-2003, 15:42

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Originally posted by ottoman
well, just what does decide the best selling console then?

Clearly that is a question for the console gods.. But SONY have the situation licked. Nobody can touch them at all in console sales..

Personally I think what SONY do so well is market their hardware and software. I mean everytime theres a commercial break on TV you are practically guranteed to see a SONY advert. Heck, SONY sponsering the show you are/were watching is becoming even more common place.

I think that is where SEGA and Nintendo failed in the 90s. They still marketed their consoles as toys.. Meanwhile, here comes SONY with its PlayStation console and loads and loads of mainstream advertising/sponsering/shiling and voila it litterally brought the Console Market. FACT!.

I believe, or at least hope and pray, that this PSP will fail miserably. Even Nintendo simply brushed it off when pressed for a comment at E3. Perhaps the higherups are scared in private, but publicaly this is what wanted I to hear from them. Nintendo has seen off other competitors and it WILL see off SONY. Also Nintendo has gone on record to say that the biggest threat to its Handheld Market Shared is not another handheld console, but Mobile Phones. I wonder, who understands the Handheld Market more? Nintendo, or SONY?

Jay boy · #25 18-05-2003, 17:52

Why would you want something to fail? I think YOUR the fanboy.

Hull_chipper · #26 18-05-2003, 17:58

Sony were allowed to tie up the market with playstation1. Everybody had one. There was'nt another worthy competitor. Playstation is now a brandname.

I still come across people that own a ps2, but have never heard of the xbox.

JoyBoy · #27 18-05-2003, 18:02

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Originally posted by Jay boy
Why would you want something to fail? I think YOUR the fanboy.

Yes you got me, Im the fanboy....

OK, why do I want it to fail? the same reason you want and still want the XBox to fail. Which in way it already has.. but lets not get off topic here.

Jay boy · #28 18-05-2003, 18:08

What are you talking about? I am a proud owner of an xbox, and soon to be a gamecube.

JoyBoy · #29 18-05-2003, 18:19

Hmmm OK, in simple terms. Nobody wants Microsoft to control the world (or in this case the Entertainment Market). The same can be said about SONY. Comprende?

MrCaine01 · #30 18-05-2003, 23:20

The PSP won't fail for one reason...it has the name Sony attached to it. What is in 8 out of every 10 homes? A Sony Ps2. As for Sega and Atrari and all the other handhelds they had one serious strike against them.....NO SOLID BRANDNAME. Hence Forth everybody had a nintendo so Nintendo gameboy was the thing to own. Now here comes Sony, The new leader in the console market making their own handheld and since everybody knows the name of sony it'll sell. And if you try to compare the fact that everybody knew the name sega Nintendo had a stronger console to back it up. (Snes anyone?) It was easy for Nintendo back then because their main competitor was Sega whose name was not as well known as their own.

Second off Sony is scoring points again for aiming it at a larger market then just children. The PSP will be USB compatible for your PC and has Mpeg4 video quality...as in DVD picture.

Also you forget the gullibily of children as a whole. Nintendo releases the GBA and then a few years later release the GBA SP. Now, kids who have a GBA want the latest and greatest thing. With Sony's name behind it, what should be great graphics for a handheld, and a immense 3rd party line-up how can Nintendo no see them as a threat to their handheld business. Sony knows how to market their products and if Nintendo isn't worried then they're in for some serious trouble.