Squad Assault No-CD request

[DABhand]

Im afraid your wrong joe.

You asked me to read your laws, read them yourself and you will see what I said in my previous post about authorisation.

[Joe Forster/STA]

DABHand,

I'm getting a bit tired, you know... A quote from Hungarian law, taken from a page of Artisjus, the very organization that protects authors:

1999. évi LXXVI. törvény a szerzői jogról
(...)
59. § (...)
(2) A felhasználási szerződésben sem zárható ki, hogy a felhasználó egy biztonsági másolatot készíthessen a szoftverről, ha az a felhasználáshoz szükséges.
(...)

Meaning: Not even the EULA can take away the user's right to create a backup copy of the software, if that is required for (normal) usage.

[Edit] Oh yeah, and the constitution and other local laws have precedence over such company/person-to-company/person agreements... By the way, every software company is free to NOT export stuff to a given country. (It would be a stupid idea to do so, only because this "counter restriction", though...)

Next time, do me a favor, and DO some research, okay?

Joe

P.S.: Yes, this isn't a full-English post, I know. You know why...

[ric_hornet]

Joe is correct!
When people or products are in a certain country they are subjected to the laws of that country which supersedes any other laws that may exist (EULA for example).

Let me give an example:
-Laws in Portugal like in most parts of the world states that you must drive in the right side of the road but if I drive with my car in United Kingdom for example I MUST drive in the left side of the road because I'm subjected the UK laws EVEN if in my country the law states that I must drive in the right side or if my car is prepared to be driven in the right side (the driver position is on the left).
This happens with ALL laws whatever they are and that includes copy protection laws!

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by Joe Forster/STA

DABHand,

I'm getting a bit tired, you know... A quote from Hungarian law, taken from a page of Artisjus, the very organization that protects authors:



Meaning: Not even the EULA can take away the user's right to create a backup copy of the software, if that is required for (normal) usage.

[Edit] Oh yeah, and the constitution and other local laws have precedence over such company/person-to-company/person agreements... By the way, every software company is free to NOT export stuff to a given country. (It would be a stupid idea to do so, only because this "counter restriction", though...)

Next time, do me a favor, and DO some research, okay?

Joe

P.S.: Yes, this isn't a full-English post, I know. You know why...

What I see is this in that line.

An application may be backed up one per user per contract.

Im not great with hungarian but isnt szerződésben = per contract?

Which means EULA (your contract when you buy the software which you agree to when installing) is in effect, if they say no then you cant.

And also dont be nasty to others when you talk to them, you may have a triple post count, but that doesnt give you the right to talk down at me.

[scrub]

Yeah, the CD checks were introduced in patches. However, this isn't the typical CD check since burning an ISO from the original doesn't work.

So there may maybe custom checks that is specific to the original CD structure.

[Joe Forster/STA]

Hi DABhand,

I translated the original Hungarian sentence truthfully. As I'm Hungarian myself and, in my opinion, have a pretty good knowledge of the English language, please, don't think that you can translate it better than I do. Thank you!

As for telling you off, this is the second time you talk nonsense, without doing deeper research on the subject. (The first was http://fileforums.com/showthread.php?t=68431 ). Also, you might be George W. Bush (YUCK! ) himself incognito but, on this forum, yup, it _is_ the number of (useful!) posts that gives people some kind of ranking so you might want to be around a bit more if you want to argue with me...

Joe

[DABhand]

I never said I could translate better than you, and before you get on your mighty horse and start waving your flag about. Consider this, ive been around since BBS's in the late 80's.


Ive also talked to 2 friends online who have hungarian roots, and they told me what I thought it said, the per contract is indeed the word I recognised.

I even tried with an online translator on specific words, and it came up as per contract aswell.


As for talking nonsense, well it would look like that to you seeing as you think differently than I do.

The reason you think that way is because you have read all the warez "propaganda" of its excuses on why people download games illegally. And you obviously havent thought of your law as a complete neutral.

So if im wrong tell me your intepretation of per contract. And keep the big headedness to yourself, cheers.

[Joe Forster/STA]

Hi DABHand,

I never said I could translate better than you, and before you get on your mighty horse and start waving your flag about. Consider this, ive been around since BBS's in the late 80's.

I was always careful enough never to say that I am/I am not a Hungarian patriot, proud/shameful of my country or my flag, or that I've been/I haven't been around since the late 80's. On this forum - and most other forums, too -, neither your nationality nor your "outside" work/fame matters. (Unless you're a well-known, respected person from the "outside" world, that is.)

Ive also talked to 2 friends online who have hungarian roots, and they told me what I thought it said, the per contract is indeed the word I recognised.

I even tried with an online translator on specific words, and it came up as per contract aswell.

I'm not of Hungarian origin, I'm Hungarian. And, no, it's not the word "Hungarian" that matters, it's the lack of the words "of ... origin". If your friends are not native from my country, their language knowledge might be, khm, "imperfect"...

The raw, more or less word-by-word translation of "A felhasználási szerződésben sem zárható ki, hogy a felhasználó egy biztonsági másolatot készíthessen a szoftverről, ha az a felhasználáshoz szükséges" is: "Even in the user/usage contract it may not be closed out, that the user makes a/one security/backup copy of/from the software, if that is needed for the usage".

As for using _automatic_ translator software on _separate_ words of _legal_ text, well, try that with real lawyers. I'm sure they will find it very amusing!

[Edit] By the way, "szerződésben" also means "in/inside contract", not only "as per/by/according to contract".

And you obviously havent thought of your law as a complete neutral.

I read and quoted the law, I haven't interpreted it. I'm no lawyer, I don't speak "legalese", so it is very fortunate that this paragraph is written in a very understandable language.

Now, what exactly are we arguing about?

Joe

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