S.T.A.L.K.E.R 1.0004 trainer

[Joe Forster/STA]

Well, you see, this site is based on cracks.

Cracker groups do buy the games they crack (as, obviously, at that point, there's no crack that would allow them to play with the original, right?), and they spend much more time with cracking the game and testing the crack than trainer groups do during the development of a trainer. And they do it for free - at least, for us, it is available without payment. (As there's no such thing as "free" in today's world.)

(As another example, mind you, whole operating systems can be downloaded for free. Of course, these now have significant value in the global economy so they cannot really be compared to "only" trainers...)

So, I beg to differ: software does not NEED to be paid for. As anyone has the right to ask for money for his software, anyone has the right to prefer free software. I understand that the opinion of the second group hurts the feelings of the first group but, well, that's life!

Respect others' opinions, though... "asking money for a trainer is just a lame action" does not show respect so don't write things like this if you want your own opinion to be accepted. Thank you!

[Caliber]

Originally Posted by Joe Forster/STA

Well, you see, this site is based on cracks.

Cracker groups do buy the games they crack (as, obviously, at that point, there's no crack that would allow them to play with the original, right?), and they spend much more time with cracking the game and testing the crack than trainer groups do during the development of a trainer. And they do it for free - at least, for us, it is available without payment. (As there's no such thing as "free" in today's world.)

(As another example, mind you, whole operating systems can be downloaded for free. Of course, these now have significant value in the global economy so they cannot really be compared to "only" trainers...)

So, I beg to differ: software does not NEED to be paid for. As anyone has the right to ask for money for his software, anyone has the right to prefer free software. I understand that the opinion of the second group hurts the feelings of the first group but, well, that's life!

Respect others' opinions, though... "asking money for a trainer is just a lame action" does not show respect so don't write things like this if you want your own opinion to be accepted. Thank you!

cracking the games protections and removing it totally are two different animals but both are necessary in many cases to make trainers or crack a game .exe. don't minimize the time necessary for making a trainer! it isn't always just NOP two bytes address, etc. alas, i don' t want to get into a back and forth with you here joe, because i value the file forums. but yes, people will always go for free if they have the choice between paying or not! i agree with you there 100%!

we disagree and look at things differently and have different feelings on what file forums/ gamecopyworld is about but i do respect your opinion, joe. feelings are not hurt! i was jusk asking for the person to consider all the steps, etc. involved. i too have put tutorials out to help newbs to make get into reversing games, etc. so that people can at least get a taste of what we do. the effort and knowledge required to release cracked .exe's, .dll's, etc. is no joke either and i respect that efforts those individuals put into it. it would be rather difficult for razor or fairlight to start selling these over the net, though, would it not, since it removes completely and permanently the protections that were put into the games by the game publishers? but i admit that it requires effort, knowledge, and money to make these cracked .exe's and often thankless work with not much in return.

thanks for the interesting discussion!

best,
Cal

[TippeX]

Originally Posted by Joe Forster/STA

Cracker groups do buy the games they crack (as, obviously, at that point, there's no crack that would allow them to play with the original, right?),

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not totally true, some groups get the file given to them from other sources, those sources may have paid for the games sure... but then that leads to the other question... if the cracker groups do buy the game, is the money from their own personal salaries from their job etc..?... unfortunately 9/10 times the answer is no.. their money for the game payment comes from their 'not very nice' private(ish) scene activities.. selling leech slots and such...

The scene is a murky place, scratch the surface and all the skeletons come floating to the top...