Daemon Tools 4

[hyakkii]

yes very disappointing for a program thats been in development for so long. Hopefully the pro version will be somewhat better if it ever gets released takes that team years just to put one change in

[Machina]

So what in the world did they change in this release...It seems like 3.47 with some blacklisting fixes.

[DUKE_NUKEM]

On the official site they say that DT4 works if no IDE Drive is connected or IDE-NODES are disabled. I wonder if disabling nodes via SFNightmare and then mounting game images onto DT4 virtual device will finally work with SF protected games. Does anyone have tried this way??? If it works without phisically unplugging drives, it would be a great thing anyway....

[Favaro]

Originally Posted by DUKE_NUKEM

On the official site they say that DT4 works if no IDE Drive is connected or IDE-NODES are disabled. I wonder if disabling nodes via SFNightmare and then mounting game images onto DT4 virtual device will finally work with SF protected games. Does anyone have tried this way??? If it works without phisically unplugging drives, it would be a great thing anyway....

Yes i was able to get trackmania sunrise and splintercell chaos theory to work. I was also able to get fear ver 1.2 to work without the original disk in the drive. I made sure all emulation options were on in daemond tools 4 then disabled drives and rebooted. Game loaded no prob without disk.

[DUKE_NUKEM]

Favaro I'm happy for ya but I'd like to know if you need to uninstall alcohol or daemon tools prevents also alcohol's virtual device from blacklisting.
Oh, just one thing:are we sure that the problem is make sf games backup work? I think the REAL problem is that SF virus installs silently and damages hardware and software, so I would be satisfied if there were a possibility to play WITHOUT installing SF drivers. Bypassing the protection is not a good solution , if the protection itself is dangerous for the system. For me, the only way to go is to keep boycotting sf games, even if we are now able to play some of them from backups.

[Favaro]

Well duke i never had alcohol installed and it worked fine. But decided to install it to test it out. Now it doesnt work. Even after installing it i cant get it to work. Oh well.

I had daemon tools installed of course because i was mounting the images with it. As for starforce drivers ive never had a prob with it damaging my hardware or software.

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by DUKE_NUKEM

Favaro I'm happy for ya but I'd like to know if you need to uninstall alcohol or daemon tools prevents also alcohol's virtual device from blacklisting.
Oh, just one thing:are we sure that the problem is make sf games backup work? I think the REAL problem is that SF virus installs silently and damages hardware and software, so I would be satisfied if there were a possibility to play WITHOUT installing SF drivers. Bypassing the protection is not a good solution , if the protection itself is dangerous for the system. For me, the only way to go is to keep boycotting sf games, even if we are now able to play some of them from backups.

Jeesus PEOPLE!


Starforce is NOT designed to ruin hardware..

It does benchmark drives, and if your drives are faulty or old it could cause them to fail.

It is NOT a virus..

It does NOT kill legal software..


See all it takes is one person to say "OMG my Drive is dead, it must have been SF", then everyone jumps on the same band waggon. With new and more interesting stories..


As usual people follow the leader

[Joe Forster/STA]

@DABhand: I suggest you read my little story at http://fileforums.com/showthread.php...e=6#post299123 .

[hyakkii]

Originally Posted by DABhand

Jeesus PEOPLE!


Starforce is NOT designed to ruin hardware..

It does benchmark drives, and if your drives are faulty or old it could cause them to fail.

It is NOT a virus..

It does NOT kill legal software..


See all it takes is one person to say "OMG my Drive is dead, it must have been SF", then everyone jumps on the same band waggon. With new and more interesting stories..


As usual people follow the leader

Actully you are wrong starforce can mess up a system more then 10 virus's it personally corrupted my whole raid 5 array when sf 3 first came out i had to pay for data recovery (cost a ton) drives / motherboard and cables were fine after i had all my data on dvds from ontrack I decided to give it a go again i setup a temp array with very clean install of windows i installed chipset drivers / video / sound and network (raid drivers were installed on windows install from F6) ... then i installed the accused game that had the starforce protection and had a few debugers running after the drivers were install the data curuption started immediate i had logs and logs of proof turns out i couldn't sue starforce and / or ubisoft i instead had them reproduce the problem and they found out it was there drivers causing the conflict with my raid drivers....anyways i was very pissed and didnt get one penny from them for data recovery when they admited it was their fault and said it would be fixed in a update..

anyways long story short took that pos game back after explaining it to the store they allowed it and i will NEVER buy a starforce protected game ever again.

I think anyone is a fool who allows these companys to take advantage of the customers with this particular protection and by supporting it you will just make it get worse, for example now "root kits" are coming out they install and intercept kernel calls and can hide predefined directorys (full story here http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/200...al-rights.html )

pretty soon there will be tons of these malicious mailware / root kits / drivers / hidden drivers / DRM license keys / that no system will be able to run stable or run the paticular software in the future, take a close look at starforce it blacklists all scsi devices thinking they are emulators (that would include most sata) , in the future cdroms might just be sata and these game wouldnt even work without maybe downloading 100's of megs in patches to maybe get it working (if the company even supports it anymore). and its a dirty protection takes more time getting it to "work" then you can spend enjoying the game you just spent you hard earned money on. email tech support they give you the run around say its starforce contact them or starforce says its ubisofts fault.

It is a virus basically it install drivers (3+) (not to mention it doesn't inform users of installing them yes when you click on the game exe it says protection system but doesnt give you any choice not to install it as soon as the game exe is run they are installed) they run in the backgound regardless of the game being installed or running they can modify packets being written to a cd/dvd recorder if it thinks you'r copying a protected cd (this goes to show the protection goes farther then just the game protection) it can cause numerous of other flaws too like general system instability online reporting (spyware) or data curuption

There is plenty of proof out there that starforce is a shady protection using "holes" in windows and other bugs and can cause numerous security flaws. Good for you if you don't have any problems but when you do with a system upgrade or whatever remember what you posted.

Its gotten so bad im afraid to pre-order a game since i don't know what protection system it will be using