ok, yes i got information like that when running hack3. the game is Katana , no cdda. unless i chnaged it whem i edited the bin files, none of them have the string cd001. it does not have warning.da, either. question though. when i run hack3, i do get the output info, but then when i run hack.exe on 1st_read.bin after running hack3, i do not get any information becuase it does not modify the file any. thnaks xena