trouble with trainers....
 

well, im having this trouble since im using a trainer for splinter cell conviction... whenever I used a trainer and start a game, the trainer closes'... I don't know why, but it's the same problem with Alpha Protocol's trainers... And i'm troubled, because this problem might be permanent and prevent me from using trainers for the other games... can anyone help me?? ~_~

Buy the legit versions of the games basically. The scene group, whose cracks you're using, pack/protect their releases now with VMProtect. It appears they've opted to use the anti-debugging features offered by this software (and perhaps coded in some custom checks themselves for certain apps). Any code changes in memory or presence of a debugger is likely to crash the game. Some have said the former only plagues XP-based systems, but i'm not sure.

So to get around all this crap, get the game legit. So long as 'they' keep doing this on their fixes, so long as you keep pirating the games and so long as you keep using trainers in the process, then you're bound to keep getting these problems. Let that be info for anyone else whose wondering what's going on with this too.

weird, i debugged their dll no problems, you sure about the anti debug? cos i hooked and did everything with 0 issues whatsoever...

hmmmm... not xur if ur referring to the trainer making the game crash?/ or the trainer itself is crashing/?

well, my problem is the trainer is the one who's closing not the game... 0_o

Did you try to debug a game with their fix (Splinter Cell, Alpha Protocol etc)? There have been mixed opinions, but for the most part (including my experience here), it's causing a problem.

Neither. I mean certain 'fixes' may cause problems with what trainers do to the game. If the trainer is exiting then it's probably just a trainer issue. Maybe it's checking for the presence of certain tools which it might view as a threat. Contact the author.

Do I understand it correctly: a crack, that removes copy protection, is itself copy protected?! Wow, the irony!

well the day the game came out we had store version and the no-dvd SR version. running the SR version (no-dvd) and using cheatengine or ollydbg causes the game, cheatengine and/or ollydbg to instantly close.

if this is not the case then where did you get your SR no-dvd, the .dll, and what tools/plugs are you using? you 'hooked' means what tippy? this is interesting.

the cheatengine forums state something about a help file or something might be causing probs with certain games in threads like this one:

http://forum.cheatengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=506270

and darkbyte has a link to a different CE that might fix the problem:

try this: http://cheatengine.org/temp/CheatEngine561-2.exe

however i have zero luck attaching ollydbg to the a game with current VMProtect. to be fair my 'cracking' skills aren't my specialty..

any discussion is welcome here..

best,
Cal

hooking.. just me applying my hooks to api's and such.. puting a breakpoint in one of my hooks then allows me to happily debug the rld.dll (curious to see what they did, but from what i saw its quite disappointing.. just 5 main hooks... ).. i was working on the alpha protocol crack..

there was a skidrow.dll included in the skidrow release for Alpha Protocol. this .dll was causing the troubles. let me know if you have similar luck with that .dll as the rld.dll.

best,
Cal

replace dbghelp.dll in xp for this one in safe mode, restart and now trainers work pefectly.

in xp dbghelp.dll is outdated and this cause crash.

Thanks Darbyte for this easy solution.

regards

Can Vmp used in skidrow.dll (Alpha Protocol) now be unpacked with Olly?

@Joe: VMP is an exe protector, they use it so so one can see what they have done. (Like stealing public values.db used in thei AC 2 crack.) At least they think so.

yes using this dll is posible, now my trainers and ce no close using alpha protocol in xp.

but vmp detect int3, popfd and sw breakpoints, can detect olly, you can use panthon, ollyadvanced, ect.. for this.

can read this for help: http://forum.exetools.com/showthread.php?p=60264

grettings

Thanks, but Olly crashes too, when loading dll. Is this also fixed?
Phantom, StrongOD, Poison, OllyAdvanced, etc, dont help for me.
Current VMP version is 2.05, version below 1.81 are no problem.

using phanton and ollyadvanced for me dont crash.

http://i47.tinypic.com/2icb1qr.jpg

you need put dbghelp.dll in system32 in safe mode and restart, after try olly

What OS are you using? I have 32bit Win XP Sp 3.
Where did you get Sabre-G Olly from? Never heard of that one.

yes xp 32 bits sp3, download sabre-G in tuts4you.

PD: sabre-g and olly 2.0

http://uploaded.to/?id=6a63z7

Thanks.
I downloaded it and updated its plugins, but still the same:/ Instant crash when trying to load skidrow.dll

need replace dll dbghelp.dll in safe mode, in normal mode no, windows replae automatically the modified dll for default dll and never work this.

Or copy dll to Olly or game .exe dir:) Works fine without replacing windows dlls.
Well now, it complains about a found debugger.

Yeah, confirmed. Works on Win7 too. I'd just read DB's thread on CEF where he talks about that. So in any app in which you wish to debug this crap (Olly, CE, etc) copy this into it's directory so it uses that rather than the windows default. This is all well and good, but do we know WHY this works, and where was that dll taken from?

the dll is downloading the latest microsoft debugging tools.

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/devtoo...g/default.mspx

Current Release version 6.12.2.633 – February 26, 2010

regards

Yeah he offers a solution, but doesn't explain why that works, and why the old file is no good. It's also strange that this worked on Windows 7. The version of the dbghelp.dll file here is higher/more recent than that on XP, but using the replacement file still worked :/ Ahh well. At least it can be debugged under something. Better Olly than CE at any rate.

@Cowsheep or anyone else wanting to fire up/attach to VMProtect apps (not necessary just the said file above), check:

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/8...odsettings.jpg

Disable all other plugins, otherwise there's no telling what might conflict etc, unless you know exactly what you're doing I suppose. I've attached the plugin too. I think this was uploaded a page back on here, but just in case. You also might want to look into a anti-anti-hardware BP plugin. Ollyadvanced has the feature, and do do some standalone plugins it seems. You can grab all manner of RE stuff from tuts4you.

This was tested on a vanilla Olly 1.10 here, Win7.

Cheers ;)

is NOBODY going to thank me for posting the link? in know you hate me h4x0r but you should at least acknowledge that i helped you here by posting that link and info. before then all your trainers were crashing miserably (as were people having probs attaching memsearchers, etc.)

at any rate, glad you guys got it working-

also thanks to psych and others for posting their BP and anti-debug stuff..

this is how it is supposed to work in here-

best,
Cal

Thanks for the links and plugins.

Did a small paper on it if anyone's interested.
http://snipurl.com/wz375

*edit*- added attachment here.

thanks for this but i would note that you have to become a member of deviated or something to be able to download it from that spot-

i was not able to get ahold of it for that reason...

best,
Cal

LOL

hahahahaha!! nice one there cal, ur the best!!^^

btw tnx for the link^^

Do you have missing DLL's?

What missing .DLL's? I can't mindread. Be more specific.