hd loader just hacked sony code????
 

I just received word via phone today that $ony is now sending C&D letters complete with their legal team contacts on it to US-based Web sites selling HD Loader! As a result, some sites have already pulled the product while one site we are aware of is attempting to fight it. At this point in time there is no comment from the official HD Loader site (perhaps because they don't actually sell it), but I have a feeling HD Loader may indeed become more "homebrew" and less commercial in the upcoming months unless this legal matter gets resolved and $ony loses (doubtful).


read this at ownz guessing this is pretty reliable huh?

C&d??

never mind just looked at ownz

Cease & Desist

In that case grab a copy now while u still can!!!

Shame really as sony will probably put code on all of their games to prevent HD installation.But if HDLoader does go PD then I'm sure they can keep one step ahead with updates. If it built by man it can be hacked by man :D

First of all the HD-Loader is all over the net so theres nothing to worry about. There is a hacked and ripped 8 Meg version that works perfectly from what I understand, I'll test it for ya guys when I get a suitable HD to install.

That said I'm very happy to see Sony fighting this. It's very unhealthy for the general public at large to have a tool this easy and convinient that can be used to go to blockbuster and just keep the games without ever having to buy them. It's one thing when small hacking communities mod out there playstation and do the backup scene but when it goes mainstream thats really not good for the industry. Way to go Sony.

Correct me I'm wrong but HDLoader is still a commercial piece of software so i don't think we should be discussing the D/L of a hacked 8MB version for fear of Tylers wrath!! :eek:

Ok, sorry about that, but as far as I'm concerned the HD-Loader should be illegal for commericial use, I'm glad it got hacked the day it released it has no place in the commercial world, from now on I'll keep my mouth shut though, again sorry about that.

Go Sony? WTF are you on? No offence, but ain't that why we have mods? Because they want to stop us using our rights to have 1 backup of every game we own? If they put some protection on the discs (such as anti-mod on PS1) then I think your response would be very different. HDLoader's fine, but I accept some will use it wrongly, but these people have chips too - so I really don't see the difference... :(

Sony just p1ssd that they not do it first. Whats the point of havin a console with a HD if u can only install a handfull of games on it. Sad really! Am waitin for MemcardLoader ( a virtual memory card on the HD). :p

ooohh. I love the idea :)

Good point! Otto

and u dont see mircosoft crying about playing xbox games off the hdd they seem to have no problem with it i think sonys mad cause they could had made the loader and made loads of cash selling it but the modders got to it frist :)

Sorry Lucfan, I am a game developer and CG artist myself and I don't feel the same way. HD Loader is too easy and tempting for the general public in my opinion, I think Sony's doing the right thing by protecting both there own investment and the developers they work with, but thats just me. At the same tolken I don't think games should cost $50 a pop.

I completely see your point, but that's the real crux of the matter as others have mentioned - Sony are just pissed off because they now aren't selling their well overpriced 5400RPM 40GB Maxtor drives (of which I can get a standard PC version which costs around £8), and which are a load of s*** compared to what we can now use... :) , and they are also pissed because they never actually made the software themselves.

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Typical Sony really, lets charge top whack for a sub standard piece of crap! The console may be very good (when it works), but the lasers are a bag of crap, and lets not forget how much you pay for one of these things. SCEE ain't moaning about the HDLoader, just SCEA which seem to be up their own arse most of the time anyway. ;)

As EvoEvo said, Microsoft don't moan about XBOX games being played from the HDD, so why do Sony?

At the end of the day, people can copy discs to HDD and boot it. But people can also copy games and boot them with a mod. The mod allows the discs to boot, and the HDLoader allows the HDD to boot. So, how come mods aren't being attacked? Easy, because HDLoader is an easy problem to quash, as it's sold by a handful of outlets and made by one person. Sony have lost on more than 1 occasion at stopping mod sales, so they gave in. But, the two aren't really any different, so hopefully they'll lose again :) HAHA Sony.

They are just pigs who are out to crush anything which opposes them, and they have to be careful, as on more than one occasion, Sony have very nearly made me think twice about buying another Sony product because of their actions.

Another funny thing, is the Aibo. When those crappy imitations of it came out at christmas that year, which cost £30, and sold really well, and Aibo which costs £1,500 (Typical Sony, again) and does the same things (because I tried one), sold like a lead baloon, why didn't Sony get a bug up thier arse then - one version even looked exactly the same... Because they were popular and being made and sold everywhere. Sony are just bullies picking on small people and a relatively small number of places selling them. All I can say to the people who are contesting this crap, is good luck, and hopefully you'll kick Sony on its arse... :)
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Even if Sony win, HDLoader will just become more Homebrew - you'll still be able to get hold of it, and Sony won't be able to do jack about it. I think I have some good points, but I agree, in the wrong hands it can be a piracy explosion, but for the majority of users like me who want to use it purely to boost loading times and get rid of lag caused by the substandard DVD-ROM, it's a must. Sony realised this and realised just how good an idea, and how popular it was. Cue lawsuit and if HDLoader is quashed, you'll see in a few months, Sony will release their own version, which (of course) will HAVE to utilise their OWN HDD! :mad:

I understand that Sony want to protect their investment, but I feel it has made its investment back by about ten times, it's purely a cash cow for them. I'm just pissed that they can't be a little more leanient about what they do, and give people the option to buy a real HDD or their crappy one, and then have the option to either install everything, or just one or two titles...

Your points are valid but mod-chips and the HD-Loader are two completely different things when it comes to ease of installation, cost and accessability.

Sony also has the developers interests to protect and as much as you might consider Sony greedy pigs, they can't have every other PS2 owner just renting games and stealing them using a simple HDD Loader to do it. Sony needed to squash this commercial effort before it even reached the outermost ears of the mainstream in my opinion and I'm glad they succeeded.

However I am also glad that the HDD Loader exists, I just don't think it belongs in the hands of the general public. Maybe I'm just nuts.

You're just nuts ;)

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one :)

Sounds good to me.

i kinda agree with scub on this whats next hddloader at your local EB,walmart or any another local store that carries ps2s.
i can see the hddloader hurting sony pretty badly in the long run.
although a great idea the abuse of this product that can be done by an 8 year old spells trouble.
now if hddloader was aimed at multimedia ie..divx movies,mp3s i don't think sony would be bothering with this at all.

Im against the skub on this one. If we continue to make laws that stop the temptation of people then we will be living in a law infested hell. I will not give up my rights just because some jerkoffs cant controll their feelings and buy a game instead of ripping one off.


Tyler!

Well said TD!!

Excellently worded TD!!! The real trick of tricks is too turn away from temptation which is more of a mental mind set than physical act. Its those who cant controll their own desires that ruin it for the rest of us.

There is nothing wrong with backing up a game you own, be it on CD, DVD, Mem-card, HDD, etc.... Just dont abuse it. Of course this will always be an issue which no amount of protection can resolve completely. Some of our very own members here are extremely skilled. ( I dont like to use the term "Hackers") A very large majority of us ;) dont abuse our gaming rights but :mad: we will always have that 10% to deal with no matter what!
Thats where TD, Warlock, and the rest of the Mods come in :eek: with their Quick trigger fingures!

well there a good point but as i suggested when an 8 year old or even 13 stumbles into the nearest walmart on his b-day with mommy to buy a game he walks out with hdloader this is assuming that sony get zilch the judge says it's ok to have hddloader.the son then goes to video store with dad that saturday rents 4-5 games at that age they do not even come close to understanding copyrights or federal law nor do most dads or moms that don't understand a thing about hddloader or what it even does it has a k rating so sure they buy it.
then son is getting free games as much as he likes very bad for sony.

point is most 13 year olds don't solder in a chip nor would a 8 year old but hddloader my 3 year old son could operate.

So!

Can your son operate a vcr? Im sure he probably could. Now does that stop people from stealing movies? Well who knows but, people are still making movies so there must be a profit. We can assume the same thing about games.


Also if kids are stealing games then parents need to be the ones that take the blame not HDLOADER!



Tyler!

Well said TD - Spot on there... :)

this has turned into we agree to disagree.

Actually I think its more of a "Im right and your wrong". :cool:



Tyler!

there's no right or wrong here it's matter of opinion.

Its not the responsiblity of the childs to abide by the copyright laws if they are underaged, its the parents responsibility. Try monitoring the childs activities and teach them right from wrong. The HDloader is not a bad invention just as DVD burners and mod chips are not. Its those who abuse the game back up rights and copyright laws.I still think theres nothing wrong with backing up a game you own. Even with the HDloader. So opinions dont count, only whats right or wrong. Just dont abuse the laws. Easy enough eh?

IMO $ony wouldn't place C&D orders if this software was homebrew and not commerically sold..beacuse $ony see they are making money with this program...the stop at anything to get them to stop selling it

Most of the Xbox hdd loading software is homebrew am i right?

It’s a very complicated subject. Lets not forget what giant conglomeration spearheaded the burner industry while manufacturing the world’s best selling console.

Sony’s got a good thing going on, they are media giants producing music, games and movies. They are electronics giants producing hardware to play all this media. They invented, developed and produced CD burning equipment and recordable media. Even if your burner is not a Sony brand,. You can be sure it has some Sony components or leased patents.

The talented artists signed to conglomerations like this might see 5-10% of the profits, maybe a few lucky ones 15% at the most. The cost to mass-produce these pressed CD’s and DVD’s, well under 50 cents including case and inserts. It’s no wonder ever other artist in the US seems to be popping out their own labels.

Music, games, DVD movies, they could sell all these CD’s for under $5 and they’d still be raking in billions. But wait a minute!! What about the huge rental and burning industries these conglomerations have a stake in? They’d all fall flat it they started selling CD’s for a reasonable price now. It’s a fine tight rope Sony needs to walk to stay on top. Maintain just enough sales to keep prices sky high, keep demand high on popular titles, destroy overstocked titles. Keep the moral majority fooled that Pirates are the real thieves while selling them the hardware they need. Don’t talk about gray market profits.

Pressed Original = 0.50
Blockbuster rental = 3.99
Recordable media = 1.00

Playing the victim = Priceless !!

Very nice! Very nice! Touché my friend. You couldn’t be more right!